nomix wrote:If you're going to print big, you'll be better served with higher MP count. Do keep in mind, though, that resolving a 12mp APS-C sensor does take a heftier lens than resolving a 4mp APS-C sensor.
nomix wrote:Wanna print billboards? Okay, given that you do...
agun wrote:My argument, which you are obviously not getting, is: Some people need more than 4MP. Which makes the D2H not so competitive for these people.
bigblocke wrote:Ahhh, come on guys, stop arguing about pixels
Downscale (properly) 12 MP to 4MP and then tell me what looks better. Using the exact same lens and taking the picture a high Iso.
In many situations, you're not getting the 12 mp of ie. a D90, because of issues like diffraction or just general softness with large apertures. Printed at the same size, the 12mp camera will surtainly have the advantage, there is a lot more information in it, but then again, that's to be expected. Don't expect though the same pixel level quality with the same settings on most lenses on both cameras.
Billborads? Did I ever say billboards? no. In fact you are exaggerating to prove your point, aka strawman fallacy.
Let me start by quoting myself to further try to acomplish this task of making you people understand my argument:
I am not saying everyone should have cameras with bigger megapixels. I am not saying a camera with more megapixels than a D2H is immeaditelly better. All I'm saying is that if people want to print at 300DPI and get a decent print size, for whatever reason, they won't find the D2H competitive.
That's the tittle of the thread. It asks if it's competitive. In my opinion, It depends on the photographer's needs. Which is a pretty obvious statement... yet you are trying to argue against it with a whole bunch of fallacies.
But as with most issues, your milage may vary, some need higher resolution, some really don't.
nomix wrote:at hight ISO, the higher resolution print will have more detail, but appear less clean, while the lower resolution print should appear cleaner, but with less detail.
nomix wrote:smaller pixels DO have an impact on dynamic range
nomix wrote:I exaggerated, but calling it a strawman is way out of order. Please refrain from it.
nomix wrote:But as with most issues, your milage may vary, some need higher resolution, some really don't.
nomix wrote:The kicker, however, is that I was not adressing you, I wasn't adressing anyone in particular.
nomix wrote:And did you really read my post?
agun"ght wrote:If you believe smaller pixels affect dynamic range for a reason other than noise, please explain.
You said 12MP needs a heftier lens. I said not if you downscale it in order to compare it to 4MP.
You should also consider that the noise in a higher resolution picture is smaller as a cause of the pixels being smaller thus actually blending in better once downscaled.
I guess this a derivation of your statement that smaller pixels are noisier.
Let me try to explain this once and for all.
People say a larger pixel is better because of it's signal to noise ratio and normally explain it by saying "a bigger bucket catches more light".
Here is the thing, a big bucket takes up more space than a small one. Where you could fit one big bucket you may be able to fit 4 small ones and take up the exact same amount of light per amount of surface used.
Now, imagine you weigh those buckets. Is one measurement going to be more accurate than dividing the water into 4 buckets and measuring each one of them separately? Make your own conclusions.
If you believe smaller pixels affect dynamic range for a reason other than noise, please explain.
Exaggerating to empathize your point is a strawman fallacy. I will not refrain from pointing out your failure to argument yourself in a logical way because if I didn't this discussion would be nonsense. You should learn how to express your arguments logically.
The problem is that you then humiliate people who prefer higher MP cameras by saying (figuratively) they want to print billboards, something surprisingly dumb as it's not profitable.
In essence you say that low MP cameras are ok for everyone except dumb people who want to print billboards.
These quotes from your previous post might of confused me:
-That's me. It may not be you
-Wanna print billboards? Okay, given that you do
-you'll probably want a digital medium format
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