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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby Bob Andersson » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:47 am

Hi folks,

A generally positive real world review of the X-Pro1 can be found at My Thoughts on the Fujifilm X-pro 1.

Another review states that "Autofocus is always dead-on". Not what we've been led to believe and maybe I've taken that statement out of a wider context I can't discern. The reviewer? Ken Rockwell. :wink:

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby RexGig » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:56 pm

KR does seem to like his Fujis! Even he, however, finds some faults with it, though AF is not one of the them. Steve Huff posted a link to another photographer's thoughts on the X-Pro; it seems some photographers are not so bothered by the X-Pro's AF issues, particularly those who experienced the X100's AF problems before firmware updates made things better.

Based on the excellent feel of the X-Pro in my hands, and the excellent images some are getting from the X-Pro, particulary with the 35mm 1.4 lens, I am going to continue to follow the previews, reviews, and comments, but will also look at alternatives. My ailing right wrist is constantly reminding me to consider light-weight cameras.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby Gordon Laing » Thu May 03, 2012 3:42 pm

Hi everyone, just a quick update to let you know we will be reviewing the X-Pro1 in the near future, hopefully starting with a bunch of sample images... watch this space!

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby podperson » Mon May 28, 2012 2:10 am

Rockwell's comment about the focus being "dead on" refers to it being a contrast detect system vs. a rangefinder which can be miscalibrated (there's no guarantee that there's any correlation between the focus system indicating a target is in focus and the lens actually being in focus), he's comparing it to a Leica M9 not a DSLR. It's careless writing but does not contradict comments about the performance of the AF system. In fact he say this later:

The continuous focus mode (AF-C) for moving subjects, is crummy. The X-Pro1 can't respond quickly enough to track anything. This mode only focuses on the very center of the image, making it useless even if it could track action.


And later still:

Manual focus works swell, so long as you don't try to use the manual focus ring. The manual focus rings don't work: they respond slowly and with long delays, so forget about them.


Personally, I think Rockwell's reviews are great, but idiosyncratic.

I don't get how this camera can be rated above the NEX-7 for "value", it seems like the reviewer allocated points to get it within one point of the NEX-7. The NEX-7 is cheaper, has cheaper lenses, and more features. Likewise, I don't see how a camera with lousy AF can get such a high handling score — what does handling mean if lousy AF doesn't impact it?

The X-Pro1 seems like a great camera for people who want that kind of camera (if I didn't spend most of my time snapping small kids I'd be sorely tempted), but coercing a qualitative review into scores like this is nutty. About the only scale which seems vaguely objective would be image quality, and we've got DXoMark for that. (I'm sure the X-Pro1 will get solid scores.)

Rockwell's review is far more thorough and doesn't include pointless numerical scores.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby RexGig » Mon May 28, 2012 6:25 am

A California-based wedding photographer, Charles Le, uses a mix of Canon DSLRs, plus an X Pro 1 and X100 to shoot weddings. He indicates that he appreciates the strengths of each system, and he seems to have some good tips for focusing with the X Pro. This includes AF, manual focus, and zone focusing.

I found the link to his site from an X Pro 1 section at the site scoop.it , which has a wealth of links to news and reviews.

http://Www.followcharles.me

The X Pro 1 has certainly been elevated to the top few of my short list of possible purchases in 2013 or 2014.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby RexGig » Thu May 31, 2012 3:19 am

I had a very good experience focusing an X Pro, with the 35mm 1.4 lens, at a local dealer today! As indicated in tutorials on-line, I set the focus selector to the Manual position, then auto-focused by pressing the AF/AE lock button. Focus was not DSLR-quick, but certainly faster than pocket cameras I have used from time to time. I then pushed the shutter release button, in one movement, with no pause. This method enables one to fine-tune focus as needed by manually turning the focus ring on the lens, before pressing the shutter release, but from what was visible on the LCD, the images were focused quite well enough. The next step will be to use my own SD card, on a future visit, so I can view the images at a larger size.

The X Pro 1 has now climbed to the top of my wish list for a future purchase. (I am still in a time of being frugal, so this wish list is an exercise in patience.) I really do like this camera.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby Bob Andersson » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:11 am

Hi folks,

Fujifilm have announced the latest Fujinon XF lens roadmap in this press release.

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    Expanding the line-up of Fujinon XF Lenses for FUJIFILM X-Pro1 June 26, 2012

    Fujifilm is proud to announce to be going to expand the line-up of Fujinon XF lenses for a wider range of photography with the interchangeable lens camera, FUJIFILM X-Pro1. From super wide to telephoto, users will be able to freely choose lenses that match their shooting style or purpose, letting them enjoy high-quality photography with FUJIFILM X-Pro1 in various scenes.

    2 additional lenses in autumn 2012 and 5 unique lenses more in early 2013 for a total of 10 lenses in the line-up

    Since X-Pro1's announced in January 2012, users have given many requests concerning interchangeable lenses. In order to respond to such requests, Fujifilm will introduce, in autumn this year, a bright F2.8 super wide 14mm (21mm in 35mm equivalent) single focal length lens and a bright F2.8-4 zoom lens that covers the shooting range of 18mm to 55mm (27-84mm in 35mm equivalent), in addition to the three single focal length lenses in the first series of Fujinon XF Lenses. Another unique five lenses will be added in the line-up in early 2013, making the total to 10 lenses. Fujifilm will strive for the development of lenses that cover a wide range of focal lengths and offer bright and high resolution reproduction even at the periphery, so that users can enjoy the high resolution feature of FUJIFILM X-Pro1.

    * This is not the image of the final product.
    * The above road map is as of June 26, 2012. Specifications are subject to change.

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby popo » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:31 am

Looks like a solid lineup building. Even with its quirks, I think this is the mirrorless system of my heart - for the moment.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby RexGig » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:44 pm

popo wrote:Looks like a solid lineup building. Even with its quirks, I think this is the mirrorless system of my heart - for the moment.


I will echo popo's words.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 - official thread - previewed!

Postby Bob Andersson » Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:17 pm

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Yet another review of the X-Pro 1, this time from Michael Reichmann, can be found here.

The usual plaudits and brickbats but also some particular observations about use of third party (manual focus) glass.

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 review - official thread!

Postby Leo » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:16 pm

Man, I was playing with the XPro1 on the weekend. Its So dreamy, and with the new firmware the focus hits pretty fast, a lot faster than when I tried it when it came out.

I just cant bring myself to love it. Im going to wait for a second incarnation - Maybe the XPro2 will have features Im looking for in their system... Im kinda stuck on this Leica road and I want off... Or not lol.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 review - official thread!

Postby Bjorn van Sinttruije » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:03 pm

Trust me, you don't want off the Leica road. Sure, it's a big spend, but it's worth every penny.

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 review - official thread!

Postby Leo » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:20 am

Bjorn van Sinttruije wrote:- Bjorn


All Hail -Bjorn... How does one afford a Leica? Ive been saving for a whole year (given myself 3) and Ive got about 20% close - (aim is about $12,000 - M 240 + a Summarit 50mm or a cheap version of the Summicron 50)

The only rangefinder that comes close to Leica-ness is the Xpro1. And my goodness is it beautiful. I might even be inclined to get it if Fuji releases a M mount adapter... But if Voitlander is a good choice I'll stay on this road - since Im prepared to spend 8k on the body and be happy or 2k on the Xpro1 and MAYBE be happy, and saving on a lens will be good for me - BUT then again, Fuji make killer lenses too...

I wish more full frame range finders came out - If Fuji made one NOW, Id buy it, the RX1 is disappointing for reasons of my own. I had 5 hours with an Xpro1, but hasn't compared to the 45 mins I had with a Leica...

Having said all that - any one know if there IS word of Fuji releasing a FF rangefinder? Imagine the amount of competition Leica will have as well as their current lenses are praised quite a lot, especially when Fuji are making some pretty decent sensors and processors. I do love their colours.
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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 review - official thread!

Postby roicead » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:44 pm

leo, i'm shooting with the x-pro 1 and voigtlander 12mm using a third party m mount adapter. i think fuji's 14mm prime is sharper, esp. at the edges, but the 12mm did the trick while i was waiting for something wider than the 18mm.

the x-pro 1 has settings you can apply so it remembers the lenses and adds the correct focal length to the exif data, but all of the apertures are recorded as f/1.0.

i'd suggest paying more for a good mount. mine cost $20USD. it was made up of two rings screwed together with a couple of screws. it had a tendency to come loose and cause some focusing issues until a screwdriver could be located. i eventually ended up gluing it together..

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Re: Fujifilm X-Pro1 review - official thread!

Postby Leo » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:43 pm

@roicead

WOW man, that Dynamic range is beautiful. I love how the Xpro1 processed the colours and the sharpness is almost leica like. Thanks for sharing that - I may just be happy with a 50mm f1.1 Voitlander, on a Leica. I keep getting told by the guys at the local camera store to never buy a Voigtlander if Im getting a Leica, but I used to shoot Voigts as I grew up and I never disliked them... But wow, that DR in that image, so nice.
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